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rvenkat's avatar

Since the comments have veered into philosophy, I can ask a question which I originally held back.

Maxim, your philosophical interests typically hop between logical empirical philosophy and continental metaphysics. Is there a philosophical map in your head that reconcile metaphysics denial (to put it crudely) of the logical positivists with the sort of continental philosophy that prefigures in certain other kinds of arguments you make (Yuk Hui's _Recursivity and Contingency_, which I read after your recommendation, comes to mind as a concrete example).

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Very interesting indeed!

If you already brought up the cybernetics connection, I think (?) another contact point is the emphasis, from the very beginning, of feedback loop systems -- both from the Bigelow Wiener Rosenblueth and from McCulloch and Pitts. Stressing that purposeful systems aren't merely a collection of simple reflex arcs / simple input-output devices, but act based on some internal states as well etc.

What I find interesting in light of your analysis is that, in fact, McCulloch and Pitts were almost explicit about relating the idea of the system's state to the notion of abstraction (from the section "consequences" in their paper, emphasis mine):

> Causality, which requires description of states and a law of necessary connection relating them, has appeared in several forms in several sciences, but never, except in statistics, has it been as irreciprocal as in this theory. Specification for any one time of afferent stimulation and of the activity of all constituent neurons, each an “all-or-none” affair, determines the state. Specification of the nervous net provides the law of necessary connection whereby one can compute from the description of any state that of the succeeding state, but the inclusion of disjunctive relations prevents complete determination of the one before. Moreover, the regenerative activity of constituent circles renders reference indefinite as to time past. Thus our

knowledge of the world, including ourselves, is incomplete as to space and indefinite as to time. **This ignorance, implicit in all our brains, is the counterpart of the abstraction which renders our knowledge useful**. The role of brains in determining the epistemic relations of our theories to our observations and of these to the facts is all too clear, for it is apparent that every idea and every sensation is realized by activity within that net, and by no such activity are the actual afferents fully determined.

Even more broadly, from the neuro side, and though not cited directly in the famous M-P paper, the idea of "reverberating activity" in neural loopy circuits (in modern terms, recurrent) has been suggested and discussed at just about the same time and earlier, by Lorente de Nó, Lashley, and later by Hebb etc. McCulloch himself, in his 1949 "The brain computing machine" [1] attributes the idea to Lorente de Nó and to Kubie (there's no explicit citation, but a relevant work of Kubie -- who was a psychoanalyst -- can be found in [2]. There's some nice quotes there about feed-forward vs recurrent connectivity, again if we were to modernize the terminology).

[1] McCulloch, Warren S. "The brain computing machine." Electrical Engineering 68.6 (1949): 492-497.

[2] Kubie, Lawrence S. "A theoretical application to some neurological problems of the properties of excitation waves which move in closed circuits." Brain 53.2 (1930): 166-177.

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