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Celine Nguyen's avatar

This was really interesting and so rich to read—I'm glad that a version of the conference talk made its way to your newsletter! A few ideas here that felt particularly compelling (and that I'm now very excited to repurpose and try out elsewhere)…

1. Your note that modeling the world in terms of feedback systems 'creates an illusion of closure and autonomy,' and perhaps fails to recognize all the external social/historical/economic events that eventually impinge upon systems and reshape them—the 'relations of exteriority' that DeLanda describes.

2. The bulleted list of what AI systems are composed of, if we treat them as these assemblages that relate to the outer world in constantly-shifting ways. I also love the framing of interaction as 'mutual measurement', and must think about this framing more! And the whole discussion of process and data as constantly reshaping each other…like you might have a process that requires the data to be in a particular shape (so it can be operated on in a certain way); and then you might discover some trait of the data that demands your process be re-implemented or re-understood in order to effectively handle that trait and use it…

3. The really amazing Steven Shaviro quote you included (I hadn't heard of him before, but love this framing): 'We cannot live without abstractions; they alone make thought and action possible. We only get into trouble when we extend these abstractions beyond their limits…it’s [a fallacy] to which modern science and technology have been especially prone. But all our other abstractions—notably including the abstraction we call language—need to be approached in the same spirit of caution.

4. The great and very apt characterization of AI ethics/safety as operating off an 'original sin view of technology.'

Thank you for sharing this!!

Gerben Wierda's avatar

"(By rights, Heidegger ought to treat science and technology in the same way that he treats language: for language itself is a technology, and the essence of what is human involves technology in just the same way as it does language)." More than an echo of Uncle Ludwig here.

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